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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.08 02:11:20 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:Um....... You had slaves, then because Jason Galante (yes a good man IMHO) said to free them you are and now looking to fight for the Republic. Honors a fickle thing, while yes it's the Honorable thing to me, how is it to you? Don't think I'm trying to talk you down or anything but uh........ It's odd that you had a rather drastic change of heart. You weren't connected to your slaves in any meaningful way I'd imagine yet you are throwing what you were away to fight for us. Don't mind me for being suspicious on this one.
To clarify,
Aurum Exodus reached out on the IGS trying to find anyone willing to take in his 80,000 former slaves so that he could release them with the knowledge that they would have someplace safe to go. I offered to take them in, give them training, housing, good pay, and employment. And their freedom. They are currently receiving training at my expense at Pillow Fortizar, and are free to leave at any time. We will provide them a one way shuttle to anywhere in the cluster if they choose to leave.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.08 13:27:13 -
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Disobedience to tyranny is obedience to God.
Just do me a personal favor Aurum, in exchange for taking on these new free men, women and children and giving them a place to go.
Don't trade one dogma for another. Be free yourself.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.08 15:42:43 -
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Mitara Newelle wrote:You were free to do what you wish with your slaves and your titles. If you wanted to be free of them it was quite simple to be so. However, you have gone much further. You are a traitor with the blood of your former countrymen on your hands. May you be stricken from the Book of Records for your treachery.
For those who find slavery as an institution truly abhorrent, serving the empire that promotes and preserves it as an institution is not an option.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.08 16:28:35 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:
Oh, and I hope you are pleased with yourself, sending those slaves to a capsuleer citadel. Let us know how long they live before it gets destroyed in some petty capsuleer war. Don't act like sending those people to capsuleers is better than where they were. Capsuleers are monsters in their own right.
Horde has more citadels than anyone and we haven't lost one yet. We have nearly 10,000 capsuleers defending them.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
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Posted - 2016.06.08 16:33:16 -
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Karina Ivanovich wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:A lot of people think that honor is whatever they want honor to be. That "being right with yourself" is honor, that acting in a way you personally consider good is 'honorable'. Honor is upholding your cause despite the difficulties, doing things you don't want to do because it is your duty, and keeping your word. Honor often means doing things you dislike, because you are sworn to something greater than yourself.
There's nothing honorable about treason and infidelity. Those things are the very definition of dishonorable. Call it a better path if you want, but it is not honor that you are upholding.
Oh, and I hope you are pleased with yourself, sending those slaves to a capsuleer citadel. Let us know how long they live before it gets destroyed in some petty capsuleer war. Don't act like sending those people to capsuleers is better than where they were. Capsuleers are monsters in their own right. We are monsters true enough. All of us are. And space is the bed we hide under, for without having a place to call home, we would engulf the world's entire.
Speak for yourself and yourself only.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.06.09 02:59:42 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:At least there they get to choose if they stay or not. It's far better than being in the hands of the Amarr, they have control over their own fate now. If they die in that citadel then they died free to make that choice, same as any other civilian who lives there. "At least they're able to choose." Yes? And? Is this supposed to be something good just by its own virtue?
I see you're one of those very rare capsuleers that is completely lacking in empathy. So I'll make this easy for you.
Do you like your own ability to choose? How would you feel if it was taken from you? Pretty ****, eh? Same goes for everyone. It's a universal virtue, which is about the most objective a virtue can get.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.06.09 03:00:42 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:You were free to do what you wish with your slaves and your titles. If you wanted to be free of them it was quite simple to be so. However, you have gone much further. You are a traitor with the blood of your former countrymen on your hands. May you be stricken from the Book of Records for your treachery. For those who find slavery as an institution truly abhorrent, serving the empire that promotes and preserves it as an institution is not an option. That's just a slavery.... Claiming this is the same as saying you are leaving your country and betraying all your friends because you don't like schools and want to live in place where are no schools.
What the hell are you on about? There are schools in the Republic.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.06.09 03:07:17 -
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Tristan Valentina wrote:It is something we as capsuleers give up in the journey to being demigods.
The myth that just won't die. We are not demigods, get over yourself. You're a human with a cord in your back, made out of recycled flesh paste.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.06.09 14:59:33 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Jason Galente wrote:Mitara Newelle wrote:You were free to do what you wish with your slaves and your titles. If you wanted to be free of them it was quite simple to be so. However, you have gone much further. You are a traitor with the blood of your former countrymen on your hands. May you be stricken from the Book of Records for your treachery. For those who find slavery as an institution truly abhorrent, serving the empire that promotes and preserves it as an institution is not an option. That's just a slavery.... Claiming this is the same as saying you are leaving your country and betraying all your friends because you don't like schools and want to live in place where are no schools. What the hell are you on about? There are schools in the Republic. Yes. There are schools in Republic and slavery in the Empire. If you still fail to comprehend this, gallentean, why I brough it about schools - they are both social constructs to educate and introduce peoples into the society. And just as slavery, school system is hated by quite a lot of people (especially by kids who fail at learning).
Not all constructs are inherently good you dolt. You judge them individually.
It's a false dichotomy to suggest that by tossing out slavery you're also tossing out schools. They are not connected in any way.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.06.09 15:01:02 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Kolodi Ramal wrote:Diana Kim wrote:But the moment they start SPREADING it, it isn't part of their culture anymore, it is their offensive actions.
Just like if Amarr would not just hold slavery for themselves, but jumped into other Empires and started enslaving peoples left-right and advertising slavery everywhere.
Luckily for us, Amarr don't do it, they hold their slavery for themselves. But gallentes... well, they need to be put back into their place with shoes to their faces. Excuse me??? The majority of slaves in the Empire are Minmatar. One third of the whole Minmatar population in New Eden is enslaved by them. That was not always true. It started with over 100 years of slave raids perpetrated by the Amarr Empire against the Minmatar, starting as soon as they discovered us. Then they escalated to full-scale efforts to enslave all Minmatar by initiating massive acts of aggression in 22480. Excuse you! Your low opinion of my people is known, but so is your claim that you're a logical thinker. So you should be able to recognize the deep contradictions between these plain facts of history and what you said. There is no contradiction. Amarr acts of agression against Minmatar are well known. But they happened about 700-800 years ago, and I don't think there is any Amarr from that time is still alive to be accounted for it. Modern Amarr Empire doesn't conduct acts of aggression. Their current doctrine allows enslaving of only criminals and prisoners of war. (There was though an act of agression that I greatly respect, but it was done not by the Empire itself, but by one of the Heirs without approval and it has ended in the failure, unfortunately.)
What about the descendants of those taken into slavery 700-800 years ago? For them, it never ended. And that's quite a few people.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.06.09 19:19:10 -
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bardghost Isu wrote:
At the end of the day if freedom were true then why would -
We have to work for a place to live and food to eat ?
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This is something most children understand and I don't have the patience to explain reality to a hippie.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.06.10 16:11:35 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:This is an awful lot of fuss over a farmer switching sides.
Welcome to the IGS, where a handful of people actually do things and the rest sit around and ***** and argue and comment on it.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.06.17 04:53:27 -
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The amount of bullshit and naivety about slavery in this thread is mind-numbing.
I'm quite happy to know that at least these freemen are now long out of the clutches of that system of oppression and those that support it with any sort of justifications or qualifications they can attempt to make to rationalize it.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
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Posted - 2016.08.06 14:13:31 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
Have you ever seen Templars? Paladins? The whole Amarr military doctrine is built on honor... something that Minmatars still fail to grasp with their infamous Valklears and "Chaos Fighters"... Republicans are savages and primitives, known with their inhumanity and disrespect to other cultures.
Paladins of the Empire defend their homes, families and lands from agressors. While minmatars attack them only to kill, destroy and kidnap.
One of my best friends is a Templar, and a good man. That said, this statement is remarkably false. When has the Amarr Empire ever been the defender in a war? They invaded the Matari. They invaded the Jove. They invaded and assimilated many other nations as well, who were nearly all made to be slaves. It's quite a stretch for one group of people to enslave vast sections of an entire group of people, and then when the rest of that group of people comes back to take them, to call it "an invasion"
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Jason Galente
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
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Posted - 2016.08.07 01:22:32 -
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Diana Kim wrote:I am not in the mood of playing Captain Obvious for gallentean ignorants, who could read me history textbook about events of about seven hundred years ago and fail to remember what happened just seven years ago.
If you think this conflict ever ended once it started seven hundred years ago, you're sorely mistaken.
This has been one prolonged struggle that has never ended.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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